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Old Nov 24th, 07, 8:30 pm   #1
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Cutting a base cabinet to 21 1/2" depth

It's not always possible to fit standard cabinets into your designs, and I had one that required shrinking some 24" base cabinets to less than 22", and 12" cabinets to 9". There are a number of threads about cabinet modifications, but few with pictures of what to expect or how it turned out. Since I was doing a number of them, I thought I'd capture a few pics along the way.

I must say, it was a tenuous undertaking, but it really wasn't that hard to do.


Project A - cutting 24" base cabinets to 21 5/8" deep.

I started by measuring off 21 5/8" from the FRONT of the cabinets to make sure they were all the same size...and the right size (no math involved).


Draw straight lines (a long straight edge is really useful here) to cut along. Make sure you're cutting the unfinished edge (back) of the cabinet off.


Cut all the panels -- 2 sides and the bottom.


Then you have to make some holes for attaching the top rail. I found it easiest to make a template by holding a piece of paper in the 'good' corner, and rubbing with a pencil to capture the hole outlines.


Then poke holes in the center of circles and use that to mark for drilling the holes. (sorry I didn't record the drill sizes, but I matched 'em up by eye anyways -- they should fit IN the old holes).


Assemble the cabinet as normal, using all the usual steps. For the bottom, you need some support where the wood peg is lacking, and rather than try to match up new holes for the pegs, I just pre-drilled and used a particle-board screw (bigger threads than normal screws to dig into the particle board better). Note - center the screw between the two holes on the bottom that the legs fit in, or you may have a problem later...


There are some discussions about whether 21 1/2" was enough for the drawer dampers, so I went an 1/8" more to 21 5/8" but that wasn't really needed.




Project B - cutting 12" wall cabinet to 9" for use as a base cabinet.

NOTE: since I was using this as a base cabinet, I made NO allowances for wall mounting, so you're on your own if you wanted that.

As above, measure 9" from the FRONT because these panels are different sizes! I was doing three cabinets, so I used a table saw, but I cut the larger cabinets with a circular saw, so either would work.

The challenge with these smaller cabinets is that you are cutting the back set of shelf holes off, so I used the cut-off pieces as a guide, clamped to the back edge of the side panel, and drilled through them to make new holes in the right places. I used a drill press for this, otherwise you will have trouble keeping the drill vertical and stopping at the right depth.


Top and bottom are simple panels, so I used the particle screw method to secure the back corners together (actually, I used some decking screws I had in the basement).


In my case, all the cabinets are covered with panels or against other cabinets on all sides, so I was only really worried about the inside surfaces, and then not too much since all my cabinets have solid doors. The holes are the most obvious area to mess up, so I would strongly recommend a drill press (rent one) and take your time. Get them wrong and the shelves won't sit right (you'll need to make some notches for the shelf pins). I did three cabinets in a couple of hours, so it's not really a big project. If you are renting a table saw, remember to cut your shelves as well, while you have it.

Hope this helps others get over their reluctance to cabinet mods. I saved well over $1100 in counter costs by doing this, and I should have a better kitchen because of it -- and that's what it's all about! Finished product below shows what I got - 12 3/4" of overhang for the seating area (remember the 5/8" coverpanel) and 24+9 back-to-back cabinets all under a 36" countertop (25% cheaper than a 37" countertop based on the suppliers formula).

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Old Nov 28th, 07, 11:53 pm   #2
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Re: Cutting a base cabinet to 21 1/2" depth

THANK YOU for the detailed instructions. I can finally visualize how I would use kitchen cabinets into shallower depth so that I can use it as a vanity - since I like the kitchen door options so much better. You have made it sound doable.

Question: When using kitchen wall cabinets for base cabinets, what do you support the base with? The same kind of legs you do for the base cabinets by making similar holes?

Question2: Would you say that if I used kitchen wall cabinets for a bathroom vanity (where is it touching the floor on legs or whatever you recommend in Question1, could the wall cabinets (used as base cabinets) support the weight of a granite/stone countertop?

Question3: (maybe not related to this)... I was planning on using the over the refrigerator wall cabinets, modifying the depth, like you have, and then making it a floating vanity. In your opinion, would the floating vanity be able to support the weight of the heavy stone countertop? (There would be a wall on one side only).

THANKS SO MUCH!

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Old Nov 30th, 07, 1:19 pm   #3
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Re: Cutting a base cabinet to 21 1/2" depth

Your questions would be best answered if you posted them in the Questions forum -- go ahead, don't be shy! There are some great moderators (and participants) on the forums and they answer quickly from a lot more experience than I have.

My thoughts:
1- I built the island on a 2x4 base standing on end, with 1x3 flat on top, shimmed to the desired height. It was a lot more work than adjustable legs, but I wanted it really secured in place. There are some discussions in the forums about this topic with a lot of people answering that they used the legs, even with wall cabs, and had no problems.

2-I have no direct experience, but since the wall cabinets use the same materials as the base cabinets, I don't see why they wouldn't handle the weight, especially since it would be less than 12" deep anyways. Not something you need to be worried about.

3-way beyond my experience to respond. Personally, I would only proceed if I had really strong (3"+ screws) directly into the wall studs. You'd also have to reposition the hanging rail metal brackets attached to the cabinet insides. Doable, but don't mess it up. I would be tempted to put a support board under the bottom edge (like the base cabinets are installed), if it will be out of sight. You could always dress it up a bit with a piece of molding if it is visible.

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Old Nov 30th, 07, 4:21 pm   #4
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Re: Cutting a base cabinet to 21 1/2" depth

Hi candylink, welcome to IKEAfans!
I also encourage you to post questions in the forums. They'll be more likely to be seen there. I just wanted to point you to another article, this one about attaching the legs. I took some pictures while I was attaching legs to both base and wall cabs (used as bases) and put them into an article. http://www.ikeafans.com/forums/artic...urum-legs.html Hope that helps!
BTW, _mike_, thanks again for posting this article!
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Old Mar 4th, 08, 8:34 am   #5
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Re: Cutting a base cabinet to 21 1/2" depth

Great instructions and exactly what I was looking for. Thank you for sharing.

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Old Oct 29th, 08, 12:02 am   #6
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Re: Cutting a base cabinet to 21 1/2" depth

Mike,
After a year of lurking... I'm finally doing this for real. Tomorrow! I have all the stuff - researched the death out of all this... so I thought I should let you know and still say thanks for all your info. I will post my progress as well - the least I owe to the other IKEAfans!

I'm actually going to cut to 21 1/4"! I need all the space I can get. I measured the drawer depths to be exactly 21"... so I dare to give myself only 1/4" cushion space in the back. Will let everyone know how it goes.

I'm soooo ready.

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Old Oct 29th, 08, 10:42 am   #7
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Re: Cutting a base cabinet to 21 1/2" depth

Great to hear, Candylink! After reading several posts from others about what they did and how they did it, I decided to make the leap -- and I still remember how much of a leap it feels like! It helps to recognize that individual cabinet pieces aren't really all that expensive, so you aren't really taking a HUGE risk.

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