Is the High Cab Pantry and Oven Cab the same thing?

nda227 · Jun 15th, 08, 10:42 am

So this is probably a stupid question but as I was putting together my oven cab I noticed it was the same article no. as my 24x88 high cabinet. Thus is came with no special shelf, brackets, pegs etc. for the oven, which (maybe I'm completely wrong) but I was under the impression it did.

I can't imagine those six little pegs and two shelves that came w/ my pantry are suppose to be the same things you use for the oven.

I know the gave me a base cab and not a sink cab since I had to drill holes for the white false front bracket...I thought maybe they screwed up this one too.

IKEA hasn't returned my email and I can't reach someone at the store until tomorrow apparently (I don't know why, they are open today, yeeesh).

Any help would be greatly appreciated, I feel like I'm losing my mind...

Naomi

**DesignDiva** · Jun 15th, 08, 10:57 am

Hi Naomi!

Everything in the kitchen line is modular...the "oven cabinet" is simply a collection of various pieces, one of which is the tall cabinet frame. If you want an oven cabinet, the system spits out a list of the parts needed. That makes it simple to reconfigure and customize. So, in that regard, there is no "sink cab", it's a base cabinet and the false front hardware is added to the order to make it a sink cab. It's nice to know that the cabinets are all standardized, because if you ever want to go from a three-drawer to a four drawer, or change some other thing out, you know your replacement parts will work!

You should have gotten a beefier shelf and some more heavy duty oven pegs...I don't know what they look like since I don't have an oven cab, but someone here can tell you if you've got the right pegs.

nda227 · Jun 15th, 08, 11:59 am

Hey, thanks for the reply! I guess since the cabinet I got for my cooktop had extra holes for the bracket, I figured there was a difference b/t a reg base and a cooktop base...hence my thought that there was a different sink base.

I think I'm just getting a bit frustrated...I asked a million times for a draft order and got a lot of okays...then no draft order so I'm trying to guess what goes with what. Turns out the guy ordered me double doors instead of the single wall cab doors that I wanted. Two of my cabinets had frame pieces a couple of inches shorter than they were suppose to be. They also threw in an extra cover panel and cabinet that now need to go back.

Even my oven cabinet setup is wrong...I gave him the exact measurments of the part of the oven that go in the cab and the front part that shows, but the cab fronts he gave me are in no way going to fit...ugh. At least while he was screwing up my order, he was very nice and friendly lol

Plus my ac died, so it's not helping with the crankiness. Sorry to vent.

LoneCrow · Jun 15th, 08, 12:20 pm

The "high cabinet" and "high cabinet for oven" are two slightly different frames.

The "high cabinet" has a full backing board, and can use the same shelves (in depth) as a base cabinet.

The "high cabinet for oven" has two separate backing boards - one that fits at the top and the other that fits on the bottom, leaving a gap of about 2 ft in the middle for the oven. The backing board is also set forward by about 2" from the back of the cabinet (leaving a void of about 2" from the backing board to the wall). This allows any excess heat from the oven to escape out the back, and usually comes with a vent grill to install into the plinth to allow good air flow. But it means that you can not use normal base cabinet shelves in the top or bottom storage sections, because it would not be deep (front to back) enough for the shelf. You should be able to purchase specific shelves that are designed for the "high cabinet for ovens" (they are about 2" shorter than the base cabinet shelves)

Hope this explains it in a nutshell! Good luck!

nda227 · Jun 15th, 08, 3:18 pm

Well, I guess I'm screwed...I already put it together. All of the air flow stuff is interesting...my old cab, a late 1960's solid wood cabinet, didn't have openings for venting purposes. I was thinking of lining the inside around the oven w/ 1/2" foam insulation (I have a ton from the siding) to protect the cab from the heat, but never thought about air flow....

My current plan is a 24" door at the top, a shallow drawer under that, then the oven which would be right above the gas pipe so I thought I could build a frame from 2x4's under the oven and around the pipe for extra oven support, then a 11" drawer under that.

It'll either exactly fit or be off by a half inch lol...I'm going to have to double check the measurements...

I'm was worried that I didn't the right parts to install the oven...but now I'm ALSO worried about the air flow. I think I'm having one of those days that you just can't win lol.

**DesignDiva** · Jun 15th, 08, 3:24 pm

I noticed the previous poster is from Australia, and therefore might be using a slightly different system that is used by IKEA in Europe. There are many similarities between Akurum and Faktum but they are not identical. I'd wait until someone from the US confirms that information. No offense to LoneCrow, but I don't want any assumptions to cause any unnecessary concerns!

torrus · Jun 15th, 08, 5:04 pm

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Originally Posted by LoneCrow

The "high cabinet" and "high cabinet for oven" are two slightly different frames.

This is where the AKURUM and FAKTUM systems differ...in NA the oven pantry is a regular high cabinet with a full back.
If your cabinet is 30" wide you have the hardware to attach a cover panel on the front for the oven to sit in (depending on the oven you may not need it)...there are screw-in pegs for the oven shelf (included with the pantry)...it would help if you could post the cabinet size/ oven dimensions/ panel size included and the configuration of the oven cabinet (drawers and doors).

nda227 · Jun 15th, 08, 7:35 pm

The high cab is 24" x 88". There were two 22 1/2" x 24" and 3/4" thick shelves that came with it along with six pegs a smidge over 3/4"

The front of the oven that would get screwed into the front of the cabinet frame is 23 3/4" across and 40" tall. The back that would sit inside the cabinet is 21 3/4" across and 32" tall and would sit back 22 1/2" into the cabinet.

The measurements for the outlet and gas pipe can be seen in the picture...I couldn't figure out how to word it that made sense to anyone but me lol.

I don't have any definite drawer combo set up now that I have to go exchange a bunch of doors, picking up whatever is no problem. If it matters, if you're facing it, to the right is a 15x88 pantry (not pull out), then the fridge w/ a 24x30 over the fridge cab and then a 24" base with a 24x39" microwave cab above that.

Also if it matters, it appears that the only beam I can hit in the back of the cab is the one next to the outlet. I haven't tried the side of the cabinet.

Hope that helped!
Thanks!
Naomi

Chuck · Jun 16th, 08, 12:04 am

You have a few possible combinations of doors and drawers that would work in your situation. How you end up doing is only a matter of figuring how to best put that space to use for you. Maybe some 24"h doors at the top, and some drawers at the bottom.

One thing that concerns me is the way the gas pipe comes into your cabinet - from the pictures, it appears to protrude into the cabinet "body" by a few inches, and seems to be a little lower than it should be. You might want to have a plumber re-run the line so it is tighter to the wall, and then have the end of it inside what will be the cavity where the oven sits. This will free up some of that bottom space for drawers, and allow you to make the final connection between the oven and the gas line behind the oven, rather than below it, which isn't allowed by some building codes.

nda227 · Jun 16th, 08, 8:33 pm

Turns out I have the oven pegs:
http://www.ikeafans.com/forums/assem...ing-piece.html

And the oven shelf with the plastic parts for the pegs (apparently both 24x88 cabs I have came with 12 oven pegs and 2 shelves each): http://www.ikeafans.com/forums/assem...-counters.html

And I can build a support frame under the oven and around the gas pipe (which, yes does stick out, it's the norm in a lot of developments around here. i'll talk to my plumber about it, but i think it'll be workable...i hope) http://www.ikeafans.com/forums/assem...le-oven-3.html

I did put a 24" door at the top. But my whole body aches and I'm so tired...I think I'll save figuring out that configuration when I can think straight and concentrate enough to measure carefully.

Thanks for all the input!

Naomi