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Old Feb 11th, 09, 5:14 pm   #1
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check out my kitchen plans. . .

I'm going to try to attach the image from the planner. I'm pretty sure this is my final plan, but please feel free to let me know if you see something that could be better or doesn't work. Instead of the Ikea range I'll have a Fratelli Onofri in cream, and hopefully a drywalled bell curve hood. Also a French door Fridge. The area by the window that looks like two random cabinets will be a desk area (with countertop going from cabinet to cabinet) the plan is to leave off the plinth/legs to make it table height. The empty hole in the oven cabinet will be filled with a convection microwave with a shelf on top and will be fitted with a door (and apparently a strip of molding to gap the extra inch. . . is this a good idea?) There will be a breakfast bar on the other side of the island (so countertop hanging over by 12") and the two random pantry cabinets on the other side of the room belong in a small pantry to that hangs off the kitchen by where the oven cabinet shows in the diagram.
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Re: check out my kitchen plans. . .

teresag - I LOVE the open plan approach of your design. I'm guessing the larger room is your dining area?

It's a great idea to have that island be a breakfast bar - I try to do that as often as possible in my projects, too.

Are the wing walls at the end of the bar a structural element? Just curious. It looks like one of them lines up with the one on the opposite wall.

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Old Feb 18th, 09, 11:29 am  
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Re: check out my kitchen plans. . .

I'm not a fan of this design. The windows/doors seem to a problem and moving around plumbing just isn't practicle/possible so there's lots of challenges here.

I really advise against your current plans.

If you want to change around your design, and what I would do personally, is for a huge center island, same oven inside, floating ventiation. No faux walls to the right or left. I would also consider curving it. Also you will have more space now so you don't need the cabinets under the window area. Put the wine cooler inside too for looks. It's a very common layout. This will solve all your problems and create that divider with no fuax walls.

Here's some pics of what I'm taling about. Again, it's a very common design that suits your situation perfectly.

http://www.qualitymarbleinc.com/Cont...th_Cooktop.jpg

http://www.jrdesignstone.com/images/...w_100_0298.JPG

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Re: check out my kitchen plans. . .

the walls aren't faux, they are a chimney and a supporting beam, so much more expensive to move than plumbing (which is rather easy, I'm moving it closer to the stack than it is now) I think the kitchen is too small for a center island. I am combining two rooms my current DR and Kitchen, so thus the peninsula. Hmm so you're saying oven in the island? I hadn't given that any thought. thanks for your thoughts, it's good to get a different viewpoint!
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the walls aren't faux, they are a chimney and a supporting beam, so much more expensive to move than plumbing (which is rather easy, I'm moving it closer to the stack than it is now) I think the kitchen is too small for a center island. I am combining two rooms my current DR and Kitchen, so thus the peninsula. Hmm so you're saying oven in the island? I hadn't given that any thought. thanks for your thoughts, it's good to get a different viewpoint!
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Hey,

See the problem is that there isn't a cutting area near the stove. It's going to be a pain to prepare food on the island and then use the stove and go back and forth. There's going to be a wall right in your way and your cooking right beside a door.

You preferably want to cook facing out to the dining room.

Even with the walls, it seems you have 10 ft of space to work with which is plenty big for an island with oven inside. You'd have cutting room and such to the right and left.

Or you can have a very big paninsula starting at the window.

You can also be creative with the shape. Make it more square, that sort of thing.

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Re: check out my kitchen plans. . .

o.k, I really hadn't thought of that! I really don't want the stove in the peninsula or island because I have 3 homeschooled kids who will do big projects at the island etc. . . I am pretty used to cooking next to a door/ no countertop, for some reason the last 2 houses we have had had the stove standing pretty much on it's own (old houses). . . you're giving me a lot to think about.

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o.k, I really hadn't thought of that! I really don't want the stove in the peninsula or island because I have 3 homeschooled kids who will do big projects at the island etc. . . I am pretty used to cooking next to a door/ no countertop, for some reason the last 2 houses we have had had the stove standing pretty much on it's own (old houses). . . you're giving me a lot to think about.
Yeah I would deepen the island/peninsula by 2 feet, then put the stove in so they can have a good couple of feet for themselves. Or you can raise the outer edge of course.

It's just that if someone wants to buy the house and sees the stove by itself, that could be the deal breaker. It would be great if you could cut and cook facing outwards.

Here's an example of how big the island would be to fit eveyone. This one has a cooktop and lots of space on the outside. The granite cost would be around $1500 so that's not too bad. Just something to think about..

http://www.kurowski.com/dreamhomes/c...hen_Island.jpg

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Re: check out my kitchen plans. . .

Teresa, welcome!

I have to disagree with Mikedavid. I am not a proponent of island cooktops...do a search here on the forums and you'll find lots of threads debating the topic.

Please click the link "Getting Started" in my signature. It will give you some good general guidelines and break down the task of designing a kitchen into manageable steps. It's always best to not rush the design process but to let it evolve. There are many considerations that go into good, functional design that aren't always apparent at first.

Adding a wine cooler for looks, for example, might not really be what you want in terms of function and design, especially with three homeschooled kids!

I'm also not sure that mikedavid's quote for granite is anywhere near realistic, and with young children you most likely would not want a raised bar since the seating is precariously high. Some adults don't even like it.

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Adding a wine cooler for looks, for example, might not really be what you want in terms of function and design, especially with three homeschooled kids!

I'm also not sure that mikedavid's quote for granite is anywhere near realistic, and with young children you most likely would not want a raised bar since the seating is precariously high. Some adults don't even like it.
The cooler was just an example. Since people will be in the dining room actually looking at the front of the island, it's nice for looks and is cheap. Not a necessety by any means.

30 sq ft at $50 per sq ft should be $1500. That's on the cheap side. At Lowes I think it's that much.

Yeah I dont like the raised hight myself either. It just an idea.

you can also make the island this shape -> \___/

Since there's a good 10 ft between the walls, that's what I would do. And I'd push the island more into the empty space near the center of the kitchen. No sense in having just empty floor IMO .

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Re: check out my kitchen plans. . .

Correct me if I'm wrong Teresa, but it sounds like you guys are pretty happily settled in your home - or is this a new home?

I have to say I really don't agree with the whole Design Your Home for Resale Market approach. Your home is YOUR home - right now. There is no Perfect Market for X baths, X bedrooms and X.5 kids and a dog. The most appealing things about a home are what makes it yours. No real estate agent will tell you that.

Make it what you want and need it to be, not what someone says is the hot or trendy thing that "everyone" is doing.

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