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Old Aug 29th, 11, 2:00 pm   #1
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Recently we purchased some Hemnes drawer chests in an IKEA in Budapest, Hungary. All the
Hemnes' were on sale, we bought one small, one middle sized and two of the big one.

After the assembly of the small one it turned out that the drawer's front panel does not fit in place,
its edge collides with the chest's front panel.

Still, this is not the main point..

During the assembly of the first three chests I noticed that some of the eccentric cams
can't be tightened "well enough" (by "tightening well enough" I mean what I experienced
in the past years during the assembly of other IKEA products , ie . during the tightening
of the cam, at a certain torque it "clicks" in place, that is it reaches its stable extremal
position, and holds firmly from then on). Instead, while I try to tighten it with a screwdriver,
expecting the well known "click", one of the following happens:
- either I stop tightening the cam halfway before the "click"
- or the cam bends open first, then it breaks
- or the dowel is pulled out from the other part, destroying the thread in the wood

The problem may be, that the holes of the problematic cams were not positioned precisely
at manufacturing. It is enough to be drilled 1 millimeters farther from the edge of the panel,
and it already does not allow the cam to swiwel into its stable position.

These fastening systems were intended to hold reliably only in their stable position, that means,
if the cam is only swiweled halfway, it relaxes in time on every small bump that reaches the furniture.

We called the quality staff of IKEA, but he did not confirm the problem. He said the cams just
held fine, and if we don't like it, we should contact the civil consumer protection.
This was interesting, as he saw it as well, that some cams could be correcly tightened, and
turning them until their stable position they hold much more reliably than the problematic ones.
He obviously had a good reason to deny our complaint, because if our chests prove to be badly
manufactured, it can hardly be a unique fault. At 3 of the 4 chests we've bought the same
problem with the cams exists, it makes the general manufacturing fault more likely (the 4th
one is not yet unpacked). At a second glance it is clear, why these chests were on sale.

Well, here we are now, I don't have a clue what forum I should address with this problem,
the IKEA Hungary definitely denies this, although I'm sure I'm right concerning the
way of correct fastening of these cams.

After all this, I only have one question:

really, why IKEA ?

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Old Aug 29th, 11, 2:46 pm  
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Re: IKEA sells out its scrap in East Europe ?

Hi

So, are the cams actually loose then?

I get that you say you cannot tighten them which can easily happen, for example, if the pegs have been driven in too far.

If the cams are as tight as you can get them and the unit is stable then I would just go with it.

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Hi

So, are the cams actually loose then?

I get that you say you cannot tighten them which can easily happen, for example, if the pegs have been driven in too far.

If the cams are as tight as you can get them and the unit is stable then I would just go with it.


Hi, thanks for the answer

The pegs are even with the surface of the wood, ie . I did not drive them deeper than required. Good point, anyway.

The cams are tight, but only after a little wobbling they release. On the other hand, those that could be fully swiweled, won't release.

My point is, I'm not going to assemble the chests for an exhibition, rather for an everyday usage. In which these fittings will be simply unfeasible. Not to mention the threads already grinded by the pulled out pegs.

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Old Aug 29th, 11, 11:08 pm  
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Re: IKEA sells out its scrap in East Europe ?

It is difficult to say much more without actually seeing the problem, but it is almost certainly an assembly issue rather than a manufacturing issue.

I have built hundreds of these units without coming across this problem and am pretty confident that the parts will have been manufactured correctly.

If the cams won't grip all that you can really do is take it back to pieces and assemble it again and see if you can get them tight.

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Re: IKEA sells out its scrap in East Europe ?

re: "or the cam bends open first, then it breaks,
or the dowel is pulled out from the other part,"

You'd need to use quite a bit of force to break a
cam or pull the threaded screw out with the cam!
What kind of power tool are you using for this?

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Re: IKEA sells out its scrap in East Europe ?

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You'd need to use quite a bit of force to break a cam
The easiest way to break a plastic cam is to try and tighten it without seating it correctly in the hole first. Before turning it you need to push down with the screwdriver to make sure it is in the right position and then tighten it.

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Old Aug 30th, 11, 11:42 am  
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Re: IKEA sells out its scrap in East Europe ?

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re: "or the cam bends open first, then it breaks,
or the dowel is pulled out from the other part,"

You'd need to use quite a bit of force to break a
cam or pull the threaded screw out with the cam!
What kind of power tool are you using for this?


First I tried a normal screwdriver I've always used succesfully for driving eccentric cams in earlier IKEA furniture.

Then I realized that while some of the cams can be turned in the stable position, some others simply won't turn more degrees than about half of the normal ones.

Then I took a ratchet bit driver, and the cams gave up.

The cams are the metallic ones, put correctly in their initial position.

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Old Sep 8th, 11, 8:55 am  
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update:

at the tightening of the cams, as I release the screwdriver, in some cases I can see the cams unscrewing by itself, some others release later, during the assembly

In the meantime we tried to assemble the chest with loose cams, knowing that it is hopeless to prove our truth against a multinational company's local branch. However, we had to stop again, as already at the first drawer it turned out, that it does not fit in place.

Well, I couldn't be surprised anymore.

For me, IKEA became the synonym of reject.

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Old Sep 8th, 11, 12:38 pm  
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Re: IKEA sells out its scrap in East Europe ?

Perhaps you should ask IKEA to re[place the item. I have never seen a cam undo itself and I have built thousands of items over the years.

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Re: IKEA sells out its scrap in East Europe ?

I had some faulty cams the other day, I've never seen anything like it.

It was almost as if the platting was too thick on the inside the cam or something.

Anyways, once I replaced the cam it worked out fine.

If you are still having problems with your furniture either bring the whole thing into IKEA and they can fix it for you or you can ask for new cams

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